It also resulted in the loss of the pull-out cupholder/drawer, which was a nice feature to have. The system response is slower and the programming changes they made to the navigation system make it harder to enter a destination. Migrating the radio/CD player to a touchscreen while keeping the joystick/knob controller was a mistake. Our biggest beef, though, is with the infotainment system. The transmission is smoother than the 2012, but Honda has yet to figure out how to make a smooth-shifting transmission.on any car they sell. Personally, I think they are undersized for a 4,500 lb. On the downside, like the 2012 (and our 2003 as well) before it, front brake rotors warp too easily. It also seems a bit quieter than the 2012 was (better active noise control?). Having the built-in vacuum is a nice touch, though we wish it were a bit more powerful. The cylinder shutoff system (VCM) is less noticeable (the 2012's was abysmal). The auto headlights, for example, have better logic for the day/night mode switching, and the instrument lighting switching has been separated from the headlight switching. While the 20 are essentially identical, most of the improvements are behind the scenes in that … Honda has generally improved how systems operate. Around town we average about 24 mpg and on the open road we can count on 29-30 mpg running at 70-75 mph. We bought it to replace a 2012 Odyssey that was a disappointment on many levels. We've had this one for about 18 months and 31,000 miles now.
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